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1 (6) This is the opening scene of the movie with BluRay. If I would have had it when I took my comparison photos in May, 2010, it would have been easier to get the camera position exact, but it is pretty close - more of the road where Lennie's van is shows in 2010 because the road is wider than in 1962.
You can see many features that are the same (the 2010 photo covers more area).
1 (7) Again, the 2010 shot covers a larger area and if you look close, the 2010 camera location should be a bit to the left.
Go to the other album to see more on this scene.
2.4 (1.5) A BluRay frame of Smiler passing a car near the top of Level 4 of the Palms to Pines Highway - a different car than the one he passes in the next photo, even though it's near the same location.
The following link shows a car that looks the same: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5524919622410699714
The upper right photo was taken in 2009.
Ray & Irwin's Garage is just off of the right side of the movie frame, down in the valley.
2.4 (5) BluRay gives a clearer picture of the scene where Grogan passes a car on level 4 of Seven Level Hill. Scene 20 (10) - coming up - shows more, as does the other album.
3 (1.5) Heading for Smiler Grogan's Point - 1962 with BluRay, and in 2010.
The same rocks are within the white circles.
3 (3.5) Looking the opposite way on the same stretch of highway as in the previous photo.
The background photo was taken in August, 2011. There are 3 white circles to compare with the BluRay frame.
3 (6.5) Getting closer!
As always, the same individual rocks can be compared.
3 (8) When you watch the film, it seems that this camera car was heading for the left side of the ramp. But since it appears that it was shot near noon - not in the morning - it is likely the same car used in the next scene -shot from the side:
4.1 (3) An 'inside the car' camera car hits the made for the movie guardrail at Smiler Grogan's point.
The following link shows this scene without Blu Ray: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5507971399020294866
4.2 (5) The August, 2011 background photo is the same photo that is linked below, but here it is tilted to match the BluRay frame. The 3 yellow circles show matching rocks and the white circle shows the rock that is in the extreme lower left corner of the movie frame.
4.51 (1) Thanks to Price Morgan for providing the still 'studio' photos, and BluRay for a reason to revisit the "3rd car crash" scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5508003451603250274
These 6 photos are of the same car - the first 5 were probably taken from a crane or platform on the road. Obviously, there was more than one photographer.
4.51 (2) A closer look at the cars shows that they are the same one. Note the details within the yellow and orange ovals.
4.51 (3) The manner in which the rear quarter panel was bent (see yellow circles) is evidence that this is the 'rear view crash' car.
Plus the fact that it is being dragged up from where it ended up. See following photos.
4.51 (4) The B&W photo is not placed in the correct position, nor was it taken from the same angle as the 2011 photo. But the same landforms can be compared; the white lines connect the same points, and the distant mountains in the top left corner of the B&W can be seen within the white oval.
The car landed just off to the right of the 2011 photo, behind the light yellow- orange bush.
The outcrop that was the center of filming on Smiler's Hill is just below and to the right of the center of the 2011 photo. This link has an early reference to this outcrop (MPO):
4.51 (5) I could not get high enough to match the vertical angle of this 'studio shot', but if you 'move' it straight up, the horizontal angle will match well.
The blooming Ocotillo in this 2013 photo is the one that is closest to what was the crash ramp position.
4.51 (6) There are 4 different colored circles to match on the 1962 and 2013 photos.
The MPO in the 2013 shot is just to the left of the white box which corresponds to the area covered by the 1962 shot.
The Ocotillo in this photo is the 2nd one from the ramp area.
4.51 (7) The more items to match, the easier to locate where the car hit.
The red line connects 2 identical rocks!
4.51 (8) In the B&W, you can see a cable that was attached to the car to pull it up the hill - basically from where I took this photo in April, 2013. The stacked rocks show where the car hit and the yellow arrow shows where it was dragged: It is interesting that they turned the car around when they pulled it up the hill. I have seen a 'studio' photo that proves this point, but I do not have permission to use it.
The 1962 photo was taken from a position beyond the broken white cross [Seen in 4.51 (6)] and just to the right of the sign post in the upper left area.
4.6 (1) As usual with BluRay more details can be assessed. The crash car shown in the top photos is most likely not the 'prop car' used in the lower photo: Besides the lack of more extensive damage to the driver's side of the car, it appears that the prop car has chrome headlight bezels which the other car does not. See the following for the original crash information:
4.6 (2) This crash car does not seem to be the 'prop car' because the hood detaches (2nd photo from top) - the hood of the prop car is intact.
4.6 (3) The 3rd crash car shown in the movie (top 3 frames) lands front first but does not flip over the way the previous crash car did - it just twists and lands on it's wheels - you can barely make out the white roof of the car thru the smoke in the 3rd from the top photo.
There are 'studio photos' that show that this crash car was definitely not the 'prop car', but I do not know who owns the rights to those photos so I cannot use them here.
4.6 (4) If you go to the following link, you can see where the crash and prop car positions are from a different view:
Each color represents a different car and where they hit the ground (except the yellow 'prop car' dot - the movie only shows it's final position).
6.1 (3) This is a BluRay update for this scene: In the other album - https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5510579404070524050
The April, 2013 photo is very close to the same camera position - look closely at the skyline and rocks.
6.1 (4) The movie frame is the downhill limit of the camera pan. The 2013 photo covers more than the movie shot, and is at a slightly larger scale.
Check out the same rocks and plants! Especially note the area to the right of Benjy in the movie frame - it's 2013 matching area is above and a bit to the right of the movie shot.
6.9 (2) On Dec 1, 2012 I was back on Smiler's Hill in the late afternoon to see if there continues to be 'changes in the landscape'.
The red circles show 2 positions of the bucket as it goes down the hill (I pasted part of one movie frame onto another). The white circles show matching rocks, The black oval on the newer photo is where Smiler's foot was when he 'kicked the bucket', and the orange oval is where his head was.
The 2012 photo shows a broader view from a slightly different angle.
https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5512414301043938818 shows where to begin in the other album to continue this scene.
8.1 (7) This is the first projected scene after leaving Smiler's Hill. The Finches and Mrs Marcus are slowly driving on this section of Hwy 74. The red dot in the road shows where the camera was for this frame - one of the first in this scene. The white ovals show the same area. To help verify, go to this scene in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5531703619939396802
8.1 (8) One of the last frames of the scene has them in the position of red dot that is closer to my truck in the March, 2011 photo. The further red dot was shown in the previous photo.
The white ovals show matching areas.
8.905 (1) Lennie is wondering about the Big W.
As with other projected BluRay scenes, the location of the background can be determined by taking snapshots of each frame and making a montage. See matching areas in colored circles, note the guardrail post in the movie frame, then go to the next photo which shows a milepost on the 2011 photo.....
8.905 (2) 'Move' the montage straight up to match Google Street View. The right end of the movie frame is directly below its corresponding area on the snowy ridge line.
The movie vertical angle is slightly lower than the Google camera angle.
This scene fits in right after the following scene in the other album:https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5533450748208865730
Rightly so, it was filmed in the same area as Scene 8.8 - the Crump's discussion of the Big W:
9.4 (1) After the Finches start speeding up, everybody has a reaction. The other album showed Lennie's: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5589520811233469554
But without BluRay, one couldn't see where the projected shot was filmed. But now we can: Just before the Vista Point.
The white lines show the right & left edges of the movie frame.
9.4 (2) The white rectangle on the Google Street View photo is close to the upper right corner of the movie frame.
9.4 (3) In May, 2013, I happened to take this photo while driving up the hill, so it doesn't match perfectly, but the white circles and line show the same areas.
9.4 (4) 'Move' the film shot straight down for a close match on both sides of the highway.
10.1 (3) We earlier saw this location in Scene 8.905 (lower movie frame). It is also presented in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5533977824778410066
This is an update with BluRay.
11.1 (4.1) This and the next photo are BluRay 'extras'. The following link is this scene in the other album.
An April, 2013 photo is tilted to match the movie frame of Lennie leaving his truck. The white lines show the top and left side of the movie shot.
11.1 (4.2) Wonder what Lennie was looking for? Did he think that the others must have stopped for....?
The white circles show the same area - 1962 and 2013.
11.2 (3) As Lennie meets the others, he passes some rocks that are identifiable today - hopefully you can see the white rectangles & circles that show the same rocks.
The other album has this scene here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5486725039599702418
The movie shots are from the 'regular' DVD and they're pasted on an April, 2009 photo.
11.2 (4) This 2013 photo shows the scene area from a different vantage point. Note the white and yellow circles in the BluRay frames and the matching points in the newer photo; and see the notes on the photo.
11.3 (5) On March 3, 2011 I took photos from where I thought the camera was located for this movie scene - the ambulance and police car presumably heading for Smiler's crash site while the group discusses "17 different ways" to split the 350 g's. Compare this BluRay frame to the other photos in the other album at:
11.3 (6) The BluRay montage shows the whole 'drive by' scene.
The background photo was taken in August, 2010. A different scale, of course.
11.3 (7) For the '17 different ways' discussion area scenes (Scenes 11.3 to 11.5), the camera and car locations changed - as did the time of day of shooting.
This 1st scene was shot in the morning from a position that is just above the movie frame. The colored ovals correspond to where the cars were parked, and the white ovals show the same rocks.
See the following for more on this scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5584399159549940130
Photo was taken in December, 2012.
11.3 (7.1) I went back in April, 2013 to get as close as possible to the camera location. Compare the details within the white rectangles.
11.3 (7.2) Each photo has 2 ovals and one rectangle to compare.
This and the previous photo were taken from.....
11.3 (7.3) The red circle shows the camera location for the BluRay frames.
The white ovals are the same rocks.
11.3 (8) An August, 2010 photo closely matched this BluRay frame from the 2nd scene: The "17 different ways" discussion.
It was filmed probably in the late morning. The car's positions seem fairly close to the previous sequence.
Note the white ovals and see: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5486725050579272402
11.3 (9) As they run to their vehicles, the time of day of filming changed to the late afternoon, and the camera position changed to my photo taken March, 2011.
See the white ovals and:https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5514902468748534226
11.3 (10) Another August, 2010 photo was close to Scene 11.5 (See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5589868957998456178)
It is pretty easy to compare landforms in the movie and today (at least with this scene). The time of filming went back to mid morning.
11.3 (11) A different photo from March, 2011 shows the area covered in the 4 scenes shown with BluRay frames.
12.1 (4.5) This is here because it's BluRay - it's pasted on a May, 2013 photo.
See the explanation in the other album here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5515263359363452914
12.11 (4) If you go to the following IAMMMMW link and continue for a few photos, you will see more of this scene, but with this BluRay frame you can see a few more details - 'move' the frame straight up and you'll see many matching rocks at the same scale.
12.11 (5) The BluRay shot is pasted in it's correct position on the August, 2010 photo, which was taken from the same spot as the previous photo. The next photo will show how to get here.
12.11 (6) Almost all of the other Picasa album (IAMMMMW) has the movie frames from the 'regular' DVD (lower left); note the difference with the Blu Ray (lower right).
I was back in October, 2013 to match this frame, but you can see the results by looking at the white lines. This scene did seem to have a moving camera, however.
See this scene in the other album here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5515263663857509666
12.2 (4) The police report the group's progress soon after they leave the '17 different ways' discussion area.
This is on Level 1 at 'migrant truck curve'.
Compare this to the previous photo - the camera angle has lowered.
12.2 (5) Basically the same as the last one, but note the yellow circles.
12.3 (3) If you followed this scene from the link in the 2nd previous photo, you'll see the parking spot where the yellow dots begin - they lead to the camera location for that scene (red circles - out of view in the top BluRay frame).
The white circles in all 3 photos show the same rock outcrop.
12.61 (1.5) This is the view that Dingy & Benjy get as they are getting ready to pass Lennie. This photo fits in right after the linked photo below:
12.82 (1.5) The next photo will give you a link to more of this scene: I pasted an earlier BluRay frame onto this May, 2010 photo to show the area of the camera for this scene (See the white oval): https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5515263663857509666
The same milepost seems to be there - just in front of the area where the police car was parked.
In Scene 13, the 'migrant truck' drove off the highway right in front of my truck.
12.82 (3.5) The August, 2010 photo shows close to the same view as the BluRay frame. For more details of this scene see:
12.9 (4.5) Here is a BluRay update for this scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5516533740794400002
The October, 2013 photo shows the same stretch of highway, including the area where the police car was parked (to the right of the milepost): See https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5515263976586116034
12.91 (3) Both my and the movie cameras were at 'Migrant truck curve'. The link to this scene in the other album is here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5516534007651945298
The parked police car and the camera for the scene noted in the previous photo were in the area of the white circles.
12.92 (2) This projected scene, of the migrant truck being scared off the road by the race between the Crumps and Dingy & Benjy, takes place above 'migrant truck curve' - see:
12.92 (3) One of the last frames of the projected scene (top) was filmed at the location of the green square. The 2 lower BluRay frames were shot at the red & yellow squares. There are some BluRay updates beginning with the next photo.
See the entire 'crash' at:
13.1 (11) Here are the BluRay updates - the other album photos were pretty accurate, but more details can be seen here.
'Move' the movie frame straight up on the 2010 photo.
13.1 (11.5) In October, 2013, I went back to make a slight adjustment. 'Move' the movie frame straight down.
13.1 (12) A continuation of the 1st sequence. I was standing near the black rock in the lower right corner of the movie frame when I took the May, 2010 photo.
Note the same rocks within the white circles. The movie camera was at a slightly lower position. The next photo shows an adjustment..........
13.1 (12.5) Now you can easily see matching rocks - 'move' the movie shot down. In the 2013 photo, there is a rock in front of the large rock at the right side of the movie frame. That rock is mentioned in the next photo.....
13.1 (13) The white circled rock (I stacked another rock on top of it) in the 2010 photo is the same rock mentioned in the previous photo and shown again in the lower right movie frame.
The stacked rock fell down in front of the movie frame rock. See previous photo.
The white ovals surround the same rocks (See lower left movie frame).
13.1 (14) This October, 2013 photo was taken from the parking area. It shows the camera position (where I am standing), the prominent rocks in the foreground of the movie frames (white oval), and parking spot of the police car in Scene 12.2 shown previously (between the gate and the road above where I am standing).
13.15 (1) With BluRay you can see that the projected sequences of them 'driving' down the hill were filmed at least near the same route (See white ovals).
The truck's route was along the prominent ridge running through the middle of the 2010 photo.
13.2 (11) A BluRay frame is pasted on a 2010 photo. The camera position of the 2nd sequence was shown in the other album.
13.2 (11.5) The camera location did not change for this 2nd sequence - it is very close to the previous photo taken in August, 2010. Again, 'move' the BluRay shot straight down to match.
13.2 (12) 'Move' the movie frame straight up. Just panning from the same camera position.
13.2 (12.5) This time, 'move' the movie frame straight DOWN on the October, 2013 photo.
13.2 (12.6) Even with the blurred background in the movie frame, you can make out features to verify the camera location.
I am still panning from my October, 2013 position.
13.2 (13) Still panning. The BluRay is at a smaller scale than the 2010 photo.
13.2 (13.5) This time, I pasted the BluRay frame onto an Oct, 2013 photo.
13.3 (6) The 3rd sequence was filmed from a moving camera (probably along the road).
The truck is on the ridge below the yellow oval which surrounds the same bushes in the wash.
The white oval shows the the area of the path where the truck is headed. Note what are probably the original tire tracks made by the truck during the filming....
Go here to other possible tire tracks up the hill: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5651849413181366930
13.3 (7) Now the white oval shows the tracks in the 2010 photo and the position of the truck in the movie frame.
The yellow ovals are the same rocks.
13.3 (8) The rocks are more easily seen and compared in this photo. The white line connects the same bush.
13.3 (9) The yellow circle shows the tracks from another angle. The white line again connects the same bush.
You can see the route (mostly along the ridge that is prominent in the 2010 photo) all the way to the highway.
13.3 (10) A BluRay is pasted on a 2009 photo. The white ovals show the same rocks that were mentioned before, the yellow ovals shows where the tracks are, and the white dots show the route of the truck in the next sequence. The truck in this frame is between the white oval and the white dots.
13.4 (13) A 2011 photo was closest to the camera location for this 4th sequence. 'Move' the BluRay frame straight up.
The truck exited the gully that is in the right center.
13.4 (14) As I panned from the same position, you can see that I was very close to the movie camera location, but I should have been slightly to the right and further away from the edge. See the orange, white, and yellow ovals.
13.4 (15) The truck goes down the embankment and ends up hitting a large rock (see partial movie frame at lower right). The full movie frame (lower left) can be 'moved' straight up for an almost exact match - the rock is starting to move.
The partial movie frame in the upper left shows the final position of the truck and the position of the large rock in the last movie frame of this sequence.
The original position of the rock is where the yellow circles are. The white circles show the last position in the movie frames and it's location today. The orange circles are the same rock for reference.
See the rock's location in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5651849681141939106
13.4 (16) One of the last BluRay frames in this sequence is pasted on a March,2011 photo. Look carefully for the yellow & blue ovals, and the yellow & white circles for comparison rocks.
The white dots coming down the hill is the route of the migrant's truck - it disappears behind the last flat area and comes over it's edge to the right of the black cactus.
This 2011 view is slightly different (and more accurate) than the other one I posted in the other album:https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5584076044149743554
13.4 (17) On July 1, 2014, I revisited Scene 13.4 area.
I found a more accurate camera location. Check out the white and yellow circles and white rectangle for matching areas.
13.4 (18) I took this photo from the parking area overlooking the 'migrant truck' crash site.
The truck in the previous photo was just to the left of the yellow circle. The white rectangle shows what must be the tracks made by the truck (who else drove down there on the same spot where the truck was?)
Unless it might have been another, earlier 'explorer' of Mad World locations; there is an old wooden stake - within the white circle - that is placed exactly where the camera location was for this scene. See following photos.
13.4 (19) Standing where the stake is, you can get the same camera scene. The movie montage is made to show the 'lay of the land'.
The white line connects the same rock. The blue line is the track the truck took - the visible wheel tracks seen in the previous photo is near the horizontal portion of the line.
13.4 (20) This photo was also taken from the stake. The white lines connect the same rocks.
13.4 (21) Also taken from the area of the stake with a different camera, you can see the wheel track - the white line that extends from the white circle is pointing to the track where it appears behind the bush. The circle shows the area that is visible in the movie frame behind and below the back end of the truck.
13.4 (22) Here is a good view of the track from closer up.
13.4 (23) A middle view taken from the stake. White lines connect same rocks. These are BluRay movie frames.
13.4 (24) Taken from the stake with another camera with a BluRay frame pasted on.
The 4 yellow ovals and the 2 blue vertical ovals show the same rocks (look closely for the blue oval in the movie frame).
The vertical white ovals show the rock that was hit by the truck - it hasn't stopped moving yet in the movie frame.
13.4 (25) Here is the old wooden stake and the white line shows the direction the camera was pointing when the movie frame was shot.
The yellow oval compares the same rocks. The yellow circles show the big rock that was hit (it hasn't stopped moving in the movie frame).
13.4 (26) When was this stake hammered into the hard ground? And who did it? It's old, weathered, and does not even to begin to move. It's about 4 inches high.
13.4 (27) Besides the large rock that was moved by the truck, another one was hit as well. If you compare what is within the 2 circles, you can see the rock in the movie frame. It disappeared behind the rock that is in both circles.
13.4 (28) Moving closer to the edge of the flat area you can see the general area where the smaller rock probably ended up (the red oval). The rock that it disappeared behind (see previous photo) is the one below the right side of the red oval.
The large rock that was hit in in the white oval.
13.4 (29) The white oval is the area of the camera position for the scene of Jean Sewell and Nick Stewart in the truck at the end of the 'migrant truck' scenes. [see 13.4 (17)].
The yellow arrow points to the large rock that was hit.
13.4 (30) I tried to follow closely the rolling of the large rock frame by frame. I think the large brown area within the circle is where the rock sat for countless years before the truck hit it.
The small circle show the scar made from the truck's bumper.
13.4 (31) After finding the trucks wheel tracks on the flats below, I took another look at what I thought was a single tire track above in Scene 13.3.
I think this older 2010 photo shows even more - the shadows seem to be just right to see the faint depressions of both tracks.. They extend to the right from the center of the photo, behind the 2 large bushes at right center, to above the right hand bush.
13.4 (32) Another photo from 2010 shows the tracks in the previous photo (in box at the right), plus the track discovered this year down below (in the box at the left).
So again, you can easily make the lower part of the route the truck took.
Any theory about that stake?
13.4 (33) A cropped 2014 photo is pasted on one of the last frames of this sequence. Compare the big rock features.
Here is a video of the truck going down the last embankment and hitting the rock.
13.4 (34) Now that the wooden stake was rediscovered, it made me wonder about this old metal shaft that was pounded into the ground in the area of Scene 13.3. It is not the camera location for that scene, but in the background on the right side, you can see the area where the wheel tracks are visible.
Photo taken in 2010.
14.1 (3) They are coming down the west side of the Ramon Road bridge over the railroad tracks. See the 1996 Google Map above with the text.
14.1 (4) The new Google Street View photos are taken from a slightly different position than the ones I used in the other album. Also, compare this BluRay frame with the 'standard' frame used here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5492013467417920674
The white circles show the same ridge section.
14.1 (5) This Google Street View shows the same intersection from Ramon Road. The 'painted' blue car on the upper photo is about where the Finch's Imperial was in the BluRay shot.
The white circles show the same peak.
14.1 (6) The area where this scene was filmed is within the white oval on the Scene 19 frame (top). See this link to that scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/ItSAMadMadMadMadWorld#5893081458813138706
14.1 (7) On October 26th I again estimated the camera position of this scene. The white circles show the same spots.
Not surprisingly, Ramon Road narrows to 2 lanes over the railroad tracks - as in 1962.
14.1 (8) From the same 2013 camera position, I panned to the right as in the movie. The black ovals show the same background hills (barely visible are their summits in the 2013 photo). The area on the left side of the BluRay frame extends beyond the left edge of the newer photo; so the scales are not the same.
14.2 (1) The link below is the same photo in the other album, but there are some updates here. Monica and Melville look for Valley Center in Northern California (Southern California is showing toward the camera.).
This section of Bob Hope Drive is near where this projected scene was filmed.
14.2 (2) This section of Bob Hope Drive is shown on Google Street View. This photo is also in the other album.
The Google Street View is further to the north on Bob Hope Drive than the next 2 photos........
14.2 (3) This photo from Gerry Chudleigh's website was used in the other album. See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5651120673085828562
The frame here is from a later sequence, but I used this photo because a slight adjustment in camera location was discovered. See following photos.........
14.2 (4) This Google Map photo was used in the other album and it shows a location a little further to the north, but not far enough.
The movie frame is from the 2nd sequence of the scene: The car swerving after the map blows into Melville's face.
14.2 (5) Before we get into the changed camera location of the 'swerving' sequences (2 & 5), here are sequences 2 thru 5.
In addition to the notes on the photo: Note the relative position of the sign in sequences 2 & 5 (Yellow circle at upper left); and the black line connects matching points.
14.2 (6) The section of Bob Hope Drive in the 2013 photo basically is the same as in the previous photos - south of Gerald Ford Drive.
Look carefully at the 2 dots within the white circle in both the 1962 & 2013 photos. To get their relative positions closer, it's necessary to move further away from the mountains (to the north).
14.2 (7) If you move north of Gerald Ford Drive (the cross street in the Google photo), the points within the white ovals match up. The high point of the 'rise' in the movie frame (behind Lennie's van) may be the rise indicated on the Google photo.
14.2 (8) Now for more details of the 4th sequence of the scene. Without any photographs other than Google Earth, it's possible to get a general location: Note the details within the white rectangles.
14.2 (9) Google Earth has aerial views from 1996. See notes on photo.
14.2 (10) Google Street View could not get a view from the same location as in the movie; there are large buildings in the way - you can see the shadow of one of them in the Street View photo. The white lines connect matching trees.
14.2 (11) The 2013 photo was taken from NORTH of Dinah Shore Drive, but you can get a clear view of matching landforms (Within white rectangles).
The small house on the right side of the BluRay frame would be in the vicinity of Gerald Ford Drive and you should be able to see it on early aerials.........
14.2 (12) .....but I am not sure that is something within the white oval. The 2 aerials show an area north of Gerald Ford - Dinah Shore is the larger street above the yellow circle on the Google photo.
The yellow circles and oval show the same area.
14.2 (13) 'Move' the partial movie frame straight up and mountain features match pretty well. The 'rise' in Bob Hope Drive seen in the 2013 photo is probably behind or under Dingy's VW in the movie frame.
14.2 (14) The 5th & 6th sequences are shown on the right.
Note the wheel marks in the sand to the left of the VW in the bottom frame of sequence 5: They no doubt were made during the filming of sequence 2.
14.2 (15) Here's Bob Hope Drive at 3 different times. It is possible that the dark gray dot on the right (east) side of the road just below the badly matched 1965 aerial overlap, is the small house on the right side of the BluRay frame in 14.2 (12). But it looks too large.
The upper half of the aerials show areas highlighted in Scenes 14.1 and 19.
14.2 (16) Sequence 5 can be compared to a Google Street View near Gerald Ford & Bob Hope.
14.2 (17) Sequences 1 (3 upper left frames), 2 (lower left), 3 (upper right), 4 (2nd from top at right), and 6 (2 at lower right) are pasted on a May, 2013 photo of Bob Hope Drive near the area where the Melville/Monica scene was shot.
White circle shows same area (2013 and lower right frame).
15.2 (3.5) Lennie turns his van onto Colaw Road at the west end of 29 Palms Airport.
'Move' the BluRay frame straight up on the August, 2011 photo. See the following for more:
15.2 (5) "Nobody's gonna get me up in the air" (top BluRay) to getting up 'in the air' (bottom).
The 2009 photo angle does not match either of the movie camera positions, but if you study the matching points that are connected by the thin white lines, you can begin to figure out where they were.
The right side of the house that is at the right side of the lower BluRay is within the white circle on the upper BluRay.
The next 2 photos show clearer background points - they take place just before the frame in the lower BluRay.
15.2 (6) The buildings in the BluRay are clearer, but not sharp. Suffice it to say that the house on the right end of the 2009 photo is the house that is directly above the aerial on the Imperial - can you make out the distant mountain top to it's left?
15.2 (7) When the cameras pan to the right, you can now see matching points.
For an explanation of the 'pink house' matching point on the 2009 photo, begin at:
15.3 (7) The intersection of Hwy 62 and Colaw Road is on the left end of the May, 2010 photo montage. The left side of the BluRay frame on the right is clipped at the windshield of Dingy's VW (I wanted to use the sharper movie image as the full frame on the left.). Compare the horizons.
The next photo continues this scene................
15.3 (8) The BluRay on the right is the last frame of this scene. The right side of the left movie frame is clipped. 'Move' the movie shots straight up - they are at the same scale as the 2010 photo. For this scene and the one almost like it, see:
16.2 (1.5) To further verify that the 'flagging down Hawthorne's Jeep' scene was filmed at Colaw Road, note the corresponding points connected by the thin white lines & the white circle. The telephone poles and houses are in the same positions. To see this scene in the original album, see:
16.6 (1) This photo is in the other album. See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5494509072476091970
It shows the location of this scene of Lennie flagging down Otto on Hwy 74 between Bel Air and Homestead. The lower photo was taken north of Bel Air. The 2nd dip in the road in the lower photo is the dip in the movie shot.
16.6 (2) Here is the same section on Google Street View.
16.6 (3) After Lennie has Otto pull over, he approaches the car (photo 2); tells Otto that he has to tell someone something important (photo 3); and has Otto smiling after the 350,000 g's is mentioned.
See the notes on the photo.
16.8 (1) If these movie stars looked out the window, they would see Dingy and Benjy arriving at the desk at the airport at "Valley Center".
Before this is explained further, go to Gerry's site and scroll down to the section where this photo was taken from:
16.8 (2) The real Valley Center is in San Diego County, but this 'Valley Center' is Rancho Mirage, Ca.
The Palm Desert Airpark was where this scene was filmed. You can see it in the 1954 aerial. The white line connects matching trees and the red dot is the camera location.
16.8 (3) After they are told that the owner of the airplane can't see anyone, they take off when Charles Lane is distracted with a phone call.
Compare the same 1954 aerial to the photo in the lower corner (probably taken around the same time), and you will see details of the Airpark.
Besides the yellow circled matching points, there are others you can see.
16.8 (4) Details in the background are the keys to locating the camera position - note the 4 palm trees (The same ones seen out the window in the photo with movie stars - 16.8 (1).) and their location on the 2 aerials.
The 1962 filming date is bracketed by the dates of the aerials. The red dot is the camera position.
16.8 (5) The date of the Airpark photo is the closest I could find to 1962. It is the only photo that shows the wall that is identified by the blue circles (same points).
See this interesting site regarding this and other airfields:
16.8 (6) Points on the previously shown 1959 aerial can now be transferred to 1996 Google Earth.
I hope you can make out the small red dots of the camera position.
16.8 (7) As the camera pans Dingy & Benjy walking away from the desk, more details are revealed in the background: The building on the far left of the movie frame is where the movie stars were sitting (Scene 16.8 (1)).
Please read the text on the photo.
16.8 (8) The early black and white photo shows the absence of the white wall. It was taken from the roof of the round building on the left of the movie frame.
Matching points are orange dots circled with white.
16.8 (9) Now the camera location changes as Dingy & Benjy enter the pool room where Fitzgerald is sleeping.
Even though they were heading toward the pool, they entered this room which was located in the area of the white circle shown on the upper aerial on the right.
I do not think that the building with the yellow dot is the filming location because the scene through the windows would be partially blocked by the round building.
16.8 (10) If you compare the 2 scenes shown with these movie shots, the camera angle (red lines going through matching points with red circles) shows that the position of the camera is to the left of the small green dot in the aerial at the left.
The large green dot in the BluRay frame seems to be the tree that is casting a shadow at the left side of the round building - a bit to the right of the small green dot.
16.8 (11) This Google Earth view is fairly close to the aerial camera angle - see red dots (camera location for the 'desk scene') and white circles.
Let's get a closer look at it's position..........
16.8 (12) So the camera location for this scene (red dots circled in white) is just north of the pool at the Rancho Las Palmas Country Club, on Bob Hope Drive, just north of Hwy 111.
17 (1) After making a deal in the car, Otto mentions that Lennie should move the bike, as someone might trip over it in the dark.
To verify the camera location, Google Street View was positioned to match the distant mountain ridge intersections: You may have to copy the lower photo and up the contrast to see the most distant mountain ridge - but they are there! Note the points within the white circles. The dip in the road is obvious.
17 (2) This photo shows the same movie frame compared to a different Street View. The same area is within the white rectangles.
17 (3) Lennie throws the bike and Otto takes off. This scene was filmed where the white circle is in the Google Street View - between Bel Air Road and Homestead Road.
Note the text on the photo.
17 (4) The 3 movie photos are in sequence (top to bottom). Please look at the text on the photo.
17 (5) Lennie grabs the bike, stomps on it, and pedals toward the camera. The asphalt on the left shoulder of the road (seen in the bottom 2 photos) cannot be seen on aerial photos (coming up), but will you come to a conclusion that it might be the future Homestead Road?
18 (1) Part of the last scene was Otto waving good bye to Lennie (top movie frame). After the close-up of Lennie riding the bent bike, Otto has a blow out (2 lower frames). They were filmed from the north and the same tree can be seen within the thin white circles (top 2 frames). The rock outcrop is just coming into view in the 'waving good bye' scene', and can be seen in the middle movie photo.
I think the blow out scene was filmed within the white oval on the 1959 aerial. However, the house and palm trees visible on the left side of the lower frame (circled with a yellow oval) cannot be seen on the aerial. A 1965 aerial (coming up) does not show it either. This creates problems, so.................
18 (2) Here is the 1965 aerial photo. The road names on the photo are today's.
The scene of the blowout took place north of Somera. The house in the background in the bottom frame in the previous photo should be on the right (East) side of the highway.
18 (3) .......we try to verify it another way: One of the last frames of this scene shows 2 water (?) tanks on a rocky hill (upper right). They no longer exist, but their remnants do - see the Google Earth view. 'Move' the partial movie frame straight up and you can match the horizontal positions of the rock outcrop and the 2 tanks.
18 (4) Do it again with a more vertical view and it looks like it was filmed in the area of today's Haystack Road (See text).
The white line on the left pinpoints another dip in the road that exists north of Bel Air Road.
18 (5) The dip mentioned in the last photo can be seen on this Google Street View from the south.
Another problem comes up though: There are at least 4 telephone poles on Hwy 74 in 1962. It seems unlikely that there are that many in such a short distance, but telephoto shots are harder to judge distance. Does anyone know how long each white highway line was? See text on photo.
18.1 (1) The 2009 photo and the movie frame from the 'regular' DVD was used in the other album; but it does show the general location.
18.1 (2) With BluRay more can be seen as usual.
The Google Street View has a shot that is too far north of the camera position for this panned scene. The colored lines connect the same 2 points in 1962 & 2012.
18.1 (3) The next Google Street View shot is too far to the south: Note the change in the positions of the colored lines as compared to the last photo.
18.1 (4) In May, 2013, I went back to try and find the camera location and I was able to get this angle pretty close - compare the lines and circles.
The 'street' on the left side of the 2013 photo is to a private community - unnamed.
18.1 (5) Otto hits a sign as this sequence nears it's end.
Read notes on photo.
18.1 (6) The Ray & Irwin Garage sign would be close to the Desert Flower Drive street sign in the Google view.
18.1 (7) After the 1st sequence (top 2 movie frames), the camera moves to another position near by. Note how the camera moves as the next sequence progresses by comparing the area in the yellow ovals.
The white oval in the top movie shot shows the same feature as the the white oval area in the 2012 photo, although from a different angle.
18.1 (8) By noticing the relative positions of the white and yellow circles shown in these 2 photos, you can see that this sequence was filmed from the area to the right of the Desert Flower Drive sign on the 2013 photo. Take into consideration the elevation differences.
18.1 (9) The lower 2013 photo (used earlier as well) was taken from the white oval area in the larger photo.
The following photos are extra to show the location relationship of Scenes 16.6, 17, 18, & 18.1.
18.1 (10) This and the following information was presented earlier: Things change with new discovery.
The camera location seems to have been south of Homestead Road. The 2012 photo was taken from where Homestead & Hwy 74 meet; and you can see that the points that the white lines connect do not match.
18.1 (11) The panning 1st sequence where the car comes to a stop (smaller movie frame), was filmed from a slightly different camera location than the 2nd sequence where Otto takes off toward Ray & Irwin's. Note the white lines on each photo that connect matching features.
18.1 (12) The Ray & Irwin Garage sign is off to the left of the right movie frame. Today, it would be where the white arrow points.
White ovals surround the same hill features.
18.1 (13) Scene 16.6 (top) & Scene 18.1 (bottom).
Look carefully at the 2 white lines and the features within the white ovals.
18.1 (14) The breach in the road berm mentioned earlier can be seen to the left and right of Lennie in the top 2 frames. It can be seen behind Otto's Ford in the lower frame.
It's location is in the area of the white oval in the December, 2009 photo.
18.2 (1) The next sequence has Otto driving his car into Ray & Irwin's from the south. The Dec, 2009 photo was taken from the SE corner area of the intersection of Hwy 74 and Indian Hills Way. Note the intersection of ridge lines in the white rectangles.
18.2 (2) The buildings in the distance in the Scene 16.6 shot may be the temporary buildings of Ray & Irwin's Garage.
Look directly below the pasted on movie frame from the extended portion of the 'regular' DVD.
19 (5) The April, 2013 montage was taken near the 8th telephone pole on Varner Road. It is the location of the 1st sequence of the scene: Hawthorne's Jeep traveling west. See the Google Street view of the location at the 9th pole here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5892712909330718546
'Move' the 2013 image straight up.
19 (6) As we progress through this movie sequence, you'll see 2 bridges in the background - the 2 seen near the bottom on the Google Map. Read the notes on the photo from top to bottom.
The white oval shows the mountain ridge area that lines up with the large sign.......see following photos.
19 (7) The east end of the E Ramon Road bridge over I-10 is shown with red dots on the cropped movie frame and the April, 2013 photo. Note the mountain ridge lines.
19 (8) Bob Hope Drive blocks a lot of the view of the 2 bridges in the background (red rectangles); but knowing where they are makes it easier to line them up with the distant mountain features.
19 (9) The bridge over the railroad (the one on the left side of the Google photo) is easily seen in this later movie frame. Since the camera was moving, the bridge over I-10 is now behind the Jeep. Again, note the bridge in relation to the ridge line. Also note the dip in the pavement behind the Jeep.
19 (10) It is difficult to see the bridge over the RR from the same angle today. Please read the notes on the photo.
19 (11) The next sequence is a projected scene shot in the same area. The May 30,2013 photo shows the stretch of Varner Road where the whole scene (19) was filmed. The upper movie frame was taken from where the new photo was taken from, except in the other lane. The projected movie shot was taken further to the east - nearer the last telephone poles in the photo. You can see this by comparing the trees in relation to the distant mountain (circled in all 3 photos). The bridge over I-10 is behind Emmeline's head in the lower movie frame.
19 (12) When the Jeep leaves the road, the camera location was moved to the area of the 4th to 5th telephones poles (Seen in the May, 2013 photo).
Note also, that the trees lining up with the distant peak (barely discernible in one of the first frames of the 3rd sequence - lower right) are close to the same - see red circles.
19 (13) If you move this later movie frame straight up, the same mountain peak and the left end of the bridge over I-10 will match very closely. You will have to 'blow up' the photo to see this.
Note telephone poles. My camera position is a bit higher above the pavement.
19 (14) You can note the difference in camera angles by comparing the positions of a feature on the ridge line (red dot), with the left end of the bridge (a thin white line).
19 (15) The close up of the bridge seen in photo 19 (13) makes it easier to notice the camera location differences. The white line goes through the same peak, and the red circles show the left end of the bridge.
19 (16) A higher contrast portion of the movie frame might make it easier to see.
19 (17) From the same May, 2013 camera location as in the previous photo, I panned to the right, and the result was a close match of the 1962 view of the Jeep going back onto the pavement. 'Move' the movie frame straight up.
It appears that I should have been further away from the road, though. The Jeep would have come very near to the camera if the 1962 position was the same as mine.
In the other album, the early shot that used was at the 1st or 2nd telephone pole and the distant mountain features seemed to match as well: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5517986643658524866
So if I moved further away from the pavement, this angle would not have changed much.
I wonder if any of the creosote bushes are the same ones?
19 (18) The location of the 1st & 3rd sequences of this scene are compared by noting the relative positions between the red dots (east end of the bridge and the same mountain peak).
It seems possible that the disturbed ground within the red circle may have something to do with the filming of the 3rd sequence (partial frame at the top). It is fairly close to today's positions of the 4th and 5th telephone poles.
19 (19) On Google Maps, you can see the individual telephone poles along Varner Road. So the location of the 2 sequences in Scene 19 can be pinpointed from space.
20 (5) Now for the famous Ray & Irwin's Garage scenes.
Before the filming of IAMMMMW, the corner of then Portola and now Indian Hills, was undisturbed (1959 at right).
After the movie, you can see a scarred area where Ray & Irwin's was (1965 at left).
20 (6) The scarred area at Ray & Irwin's garage intersection is hard to see in the 1965 aerial (right). But the 'flag down' and the second 'blowout' scenes area (white circles) can be compared easily. You can see the outcrop!
20 (7) In the extended scenes portion of the DVD, the police cross Hwy 74 to check out Ray & Irwin.
20 (8) Just another area comparison - 1959, 1961, and 1965.
The yellow & white circled areas match.
20 (9) This has nothing to do with locations, but the BluRay photos make comparisons easier.
20 (10) Ray & Irwin's is within the yellow circles and note details within the white ovals.
The BluRay frame (Scene 2.4) takes place just before the frame used earlier in this album:
The location of the pass is where the red circles are on the 2010 photo from the vista point, and the older photo at the lower right.
20.2 (3) Lennie gets ready to finish off Ray & Irwin's.
In the Blu Ray frame, you can see what was then, Portola Road to the left of the tow truck. It is now Indian Hills Way, which is on the other side of the tan wall on the left side of the Dec, 2009 photo.
Note matching points on the distant ridge (black circle).
20.2 (4) I copied this photo from the other album.
When you look at the details of the intersections of the different mountain ridges (white circles), you can verify that this is the right location of Ray & Irwin's garage.
21.1 (11) The August, 2011 photo is a larger view of the same one that is shown in the other album.
The Blu Ray frame shows more detail on the sides of the movie frame than the other frame in the other album.
Hwy 62 near the Elk Trail intersection.
21.1 (12) On Dec 2, 2012 I was back at this location to take a photo from the middle of the road - in addition to the photo I took from Dave Woodman's moving car (previous photo).
21.3 (8) 4 BluRay frames are pasted on a 2011 montage. The gas station is on the SW corner of Kickapoo & Hwy 62 in Yucca Valley.
When Mrs Marcus gets out, she uses the telephone booth at the left; when she gets in, there is another booth at the right. See red ovals.
The 2 yellow rectangles (upper left) show the same buildings.
See more of this scene in the other album:
21.5 (9) To try and get closer to the camera position, I have added this photo and the next two to this scene in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5495654623632492722
The cropped BluRay frame is placed straight down according to the mountain ridge points. You can see that I would have had to move a short distance out into the street to get the same angle - note yellow lines and circles.
21.5 (10) Here is evidence that Acoma Trail was put in after 1962. The aerial photo is from 1964. Note the areas within the red circles.
The red dot is my camera position in the previous photo, and the yellow dots show the corner of the same building.
21.5 (11) The movie camera position was somewhere along a line that would connect the yellow dot and a point just into Acoma Trail to the right of the red dot - my camera location in the 21.5 (9) photo.
22.00 (1) Here is a BluRay and May, 2010 montage of the Worsley Road pan shot - Scene 22 in the other album.
Link to Scene 22 in other album:
22.00 (2) If you compare partial frames (the two on the right of the previous photo), it helps verify that this is very close to the movie camera position. 'Move' the movie frame straight up.
This position is more accurate than the following 2 photos.
22.00 (3) One of the 1st frames of this sequence in BluRay is compared to an April, 2013 photo.
22.00 (4) One of the last frames of the sequence compared to a 2013 photo from the same spot as in the last photo.
The 2010 photos (2 photos ago) were taken from a more accurate position than these: They were taken from a spot maybe 10 feet to the right.
22.01 (2) In a BluRay projected scene on Worsley Road, Otto is about to see something on the road ahead.
Here is an older Google Street View comparison in the other album:
22.01 (3) Otto is nearing Pierson Blvd from the south. The background photo was taken in 2011.
22.02 (1) 'Move' the BluRay frame straight up to match the April, 2013 photo (montage).
22.02 (2) The movie camera pan goes far enough to the left to see Santa Rosa Peak (Prominently visible behind the group at the '17 different ways" discussion area: Scene 11).
22.02 (3) The movie camera position changes from on the road to off the road.
Here, the miner (Mike Mazurki) is getting into Otto's car (lower left), and they've driven off (upper right).
The 2013 photo was taken at the edge of the pavement - but perhaps close enough.
22.1 (3). Here is a slightly better quality photo of this scene that is in the other album. See the explanation at:
25.1 (1.5) I have found that the BluRay DVD shows more area (upper left frame) the 'regular' DVD frame at upper right.
Now that I have the BluRay, I found that my camera angle was a bit off - too bad I didn't take a wider angle shot and move a bit closer to the tunnel.
Now I have an excuse to go back there next time I go to California! See next photos.
25.1 (1.6) This camera position is closer. Note the spacing between the large telephone pole on the left and the distant pole & road cut. A bit of cliff is visible on the left as well.
25.1 (4) On August 17, 2012 I was back at the tunnel to match the full pan of this sequence.
25.2 (10) The photo onto which the BluRay montage is pasted, was taken on Dec 5, 2012. By comparing the distant mountains, you can see that the camera positions are very close to the same: Also, you can see how much of the roadside hill has been removed by the mining operations.
25.3 (5.1) A BluRay frame is pasted onto an April 2010 photo of the east end of the Soledad Canyon Rd tunnel.
The movie frame position is approximately where the Jeep would be if you approached the tunnel from the east. The movie camera position would have been near the fence line on the left side of the 2012 photo.
25.3 (5.2) The camera location for the sequence of the tire & Jeep emerging from the tunnel was in the right lane of the road, between the yellow sign and the white rock.
25.3 (9) By matching the distant mountain configurations, you can see that this angle is close to the same. The August, 2012 photo was taken a bit east of the camera location mentioned in the previous photo.
The yellow circle shows my camera location for the next photo.
25.3 (10) This camera location is closer overall (note the areas within the circles); but the 2 sequences of the movie show that the camera was moved (the orange arrow in the lower movie photo is the camera angle of the upper photo).
The yellow lines in the 2012 photo represent the top and right side of the upper movie frame.
25.4 (1) This projected scene takes place right after Hawthorne's Jeep narrowly misses a truck on Soledad Canyon Rd, just west of the tunnel (See Scene 25.1 in the other album).
That same truck is seen through the rear window of the Jeep in these frames.
I have not been able to pinpoint the location of this scene, but there is evidence that shows that it should be in the Soledad Canyon area.
The closest that was able to come is the Google Street View photo that is surrounded by the numbered scene. See next photo.
25.4 (2) There are 3 points of evidence that this projected scene was filmed near the tunnel: (1) The same prop truck is used - see all 3 photos; (2) The center line is a solid white line - it seems unusual; and (3) the vegetation seems to be the same type.
Again, compare the coverage of the upper BluRay frame with the lower right frame.
25.4 (3) The scenes at the tunnel are shown counter-clockwise from the lower left. They correspond to the white circles on the photo, starting from the left - photos 1 & 2 are the left circle, #3 is the middle circle, and #'s 4 & 5 are the right circle on the bottom.
The larger white circle at the top right shows the area where the Google Street View photo was taken (Same as 25.4 (1)) - the closest that I could find to match. But I don't think it's correct.
25.2 Movie The camera position is very close, but the aspect ratio isn't good, and my wife drove too slow.
Thanks to Paul Scrabo for putting music to my August, 2012 video.
26 (1) Lennie, Emmeline, and Mrs Marcus head south across Pipes Canyon Wash on Hwy 247 about 5 miles north of Yucca Valley.
"Move' the BluRay frame straight up.
26 (2) The previous and the next photo were taken on April 20, 2013 from the mound on the left side of the photo.
26 (3) The tow truck gets a little closer.
With the BluRay frame pasted in it's correct position, it appears that either the alignment of the road changed as it was upgraded or I should have been closer to the road (As in the previous photo). I think it was mainly a road alignment change, though, as some of the Joshua Trees can even be matched.
26.05 (1) The next scene (projected) is taken at the same location. Look closely at the movie frames (In order 1-5): You'll see them pass, (1) the sign; (2) the 1st white post near the sign; (3) the 1st post on the opposite side of the road - almost straight across from the sign; (4) the 2nd post on the east side of the road; and (5) the 3rd post - between Emmeline & Lennie in the top non projected frame.
26.05 (2) The previous photo scene is between the top 2 scenes shown here. Note the markings in the pavement - within the colored circles and the change in pavement surface (where the truck is in the 3rd photo down & the top photo).
26.1 (2) After Lennie tries to pull Mrs Marcus from the truck - next photos - he falls down and the truck rolls backwards.
The background beyond the road cut matches almost perfectly from the 2009 camera position. During the re-alignment and widening of the road, the road cuts changed (Notice next photos), as did the elevation at the top of the grade.
26.1 (3) Look closely at the 1st scene in the sequence (top left), where they came to a stop. There are some tire marks on the pavement & dirt, probably made during filming.
In the 4th scene (bottom right), most of the marks were removed - the tire marks to the left of the the truck's front tire (top left) are still discernible in the lower right photo.
26.2 (1) By comparing the April 20, 2013 photo to the BluRay frame, it looks like they widened and lowered the road cut, and probably used the cut material to build up the grade.
The Joshua Trees on the lower part of the side of the middle hill can still be matched! As usual, 'move' the frame straight up.
26.2 (2) This May, 2010 photo was taken a little farther away from the hill and a couple of steps farther away from the road.
The Joshua Trees still line up on the middle hill, but now you can see Joshua Trees that match on the hill at the right - especially look at the 2 on the side of the hill near the right side of the movie shot.
Between this scene and the one in the next photo, a tearful Sylvester is shown. See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5563612677367385874
If you stand at this spot and turn to the left, you will see........
26.3 (2) ............you see the area on the east side of the highway where the truck finishes its roll backwards.
'Move' the BluRay shot straight up to match houses and hill features to the April, 2013 photo.
It is hard to see with this movie frame that the Joshua Trees do not match up, so.........
26.3 (3) ..... I moved a few yards south of the last one. By examining the placement of the Joshua Trees against the hill features, you can see that I went too far; so I'm going back to the previous photo - the only other one I have from my latest visit there......
26.3 (4) A movie montage is pasted below its corresponding hill features on the same 2013 photo. They match, but the closer Joshua Trees do not, so the movie camera position was between my 2 positions.
26.3 (5) Putting my 2 positions next to each other, it's easier to see the difference. Note the white and yellow ovals.
It turns out that my December, 2009 photo that I used in the other album matches better - too bad I didn't have BluRay then. See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5496053734213569170
26.3 (6) Here is another photo from Dec, 2009. By comparing the relative positions of the yellow circles and red dots, you can guess that it is not very far to the left that the movie camera was located.
Note also the white ovals.
26.3 (7) This May, 2010 photo shows a fairly close horizontal angle. The tow truck looks like it ended its backward journey about where the thin white oval is.
26.3 (8) In this Google Street View, the location of the truck in the top movie frame is shown with a white and red diagram. The truck in the lower BluRay shot would be in the lower left portion of the Street view photo.
26.3 (9) This is as close as you can get with Street View at this time. I didn't use a BluRay frame this time.
Yellow oval - same telephone pole. Red dot and white circle - same point/tree.
26.4 (6) On Dec 2, 2012 I went back to Sylvester's flying Dodge intersection in 29 Palms and compared it to BluRay frames.
See the 'regular' frame comparisons in the other album:
Looking in the direction of 1st frame of the sequence, I got a very good match, but I should have moved forward more; you'll see why later.
26.4 (7) The first frame of the sequence is the far right photo of the montage - the last frame is the BluRay photo onto which the montage is pasted.
26.4 (8) The top photo was taken from the same position as the previous comparison shot. By comparing the relative positions of the same telephone pole to the distant ridge line, you can see that I should have moved to the right.
The Google Street View camera was closer to a match from this angle (yellow circles in the lower photos).
The Google photo on this portion of Mesquite Springs Rd (as of Dec 2, 2012) reveals older pavement than exists now; the house on the right was unfinished; and they hadn't removed the crossbars on the circled telephone pole.
26.4 (9) Here is a closer view of the Google Street View shot. It looks like the IAMMMMW camera was directly behind this position (far enough away to get off the pavement.
Perhaps this is the same pavement as in the movie.
26.4 (10) The next Google photo to the north shows the same telephone poles, but their relative positions with the ridgeline are wrong. Note also how the spacing of the poles changes - showing that the movie camera was further to the south (the Google photo in the previous photo).
26.4 (11) The same house is circled in yellow. Today it has an added garage (the left portion of the house).
See notes on photo.
26.4 (12) This is an approximate view that Sylvester's stunt driver had as he approached the 2 Mile Rd cross road.
It looks like there was more of a dip in the intersection in 1962.
Can you see the camera man filming this scene? He is where the movie camera location was.
26.4 (13) The Street View camera on 2 Mile Road has later photography: The house is finished; they removed the telephone pole cross bars (see white ovals); and the pavement is newer on Mesquite Springs Rd.
Since the distant ridge line matches closely with the poles, the original camera location would be near the large creosote bush below the upper white oval.
26.4 (14) The Dodge hits a bit aggressively.
The approximate positions of the car in 3 of the photos (begin at upper right and go clockwise) are shown with yellow lines.
The same telephone pole is circled in white.
26.4 (15) Looking from the other direction, you can see the 'camera man' filming Sylvester: The red dots are his approximate flight line.
From this angle, there doesn't appear to be much of a dip in the modern pavement.
28.21 (4) This photo is in the other album and is here to keep track of the continuation of information about the scene.
'Move' up the movie frame to match the lower half of the movie frame to the upper center portion of the 1994 Google Earth photo.
28.21 (4.1) Here is the same Google Earth view from 2012. There still is some open land!
This Google Earth view is used to get a more detailed view of the hills and canyons.
The scene was shot with a telephoto, though. So to get the camera position of the airplane with the camera, you have to move further away with Google. But first,.....
28.21 (4.2) The first photo of this scene (28.21) showed what I thought were the locations of 3 points (See the photo in lower right and their matching points within the white circles.
After examining BluRay photos, those points are adjusted to the yellow circles. Here's why...........
28.21 (4.3) With less 'clutter' from city expansion, a 1994 Google Earth view shows the landscape better.
When you move further away from the area of the movie frame, the perspective becomes closer to a match.
Now you can see that the entire frame area (white rectangle) is almost the same. Remember that only the lower half of the movie frame matched before.
28.21 (4.4) The upper left 1994 Google Earth view has a corresponding red circle to the other photos - an expanded 2012 Google Earth view showing the approximate position of the camera airplane, and the ridge point in the BluRay movie frame. Obviously, the bi-plane was somewhere between the camera and the ridge point.
28.21 (4.5) There are 3 red dots that have matching points - one on each photo. The 2 red circles on the 58 & 60 aerials also are the same area. There are 2 more red dots in the lower left corner of the movie frame - they match the points where the red circles intersect with the road seen in the 3 photos.
28.21 (5.1) The following shows this location in the other album:
But a better verification is available at the website that Mike May referenced in his comment here: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5657475163397598098
The aerial photo is of Santa Barbara in 1979. Note the comparison circles.
28.21 (5.2) A later frame in the scene (from the Extended Scenes portion of the DVD) is pasted onto a 1972 aerial photo of Santa Barbara. Note circles of matching areas.
28.22 (1) The Crumps look down and note that the cars are going faster than they are.
This Google Earth view of Carbon Canyon Road may look close to the movie frame but it isn't the road below in the movie. I am still looking for it - see:
There is a new album just for this scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/BiPlaneFlightScene2821#6090942179379402866
28.22 (2) The next sequence has the camera looking down on Hwy 133 as cars cross the bridge that is prominent in Scene 30.2 coming up later in this album (lower BluRay photo). You may want to see that scene first as to how it was located: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/ItSAMadMadMadMadWorld#5736197648828823698
In front of the wing of the biplane, you can see the end of the road cut in the hill that the sign is on.
28.22 (3) A partial frame of the 'fly through billboard' scene is shown to compare features as the camera gets closer to the bridge.
Note the continuous black line in the left shoulder of the road; the metal post fence; and the white area beyond the shoulder that is directly in front of the shadow of the right wing and between the station wagon & bridge (partial frame).
28.22 (4) You can almost count the posts of the bridge guardrail; and the row of trees is visible in both photos.
28.22 (5) It's difficult to tell which of the white features on the left side of the bridge (in the full BluRay frame) is seen on the left side of the bridge in the partial frame.
28.22 (6) The fence on the other side of the bridge that disappears into the bushes can easily be compared. The left guardrail is seen as well.
Take note of the 3 whitish features that are on the left third of the full frame but are not visible in Scene 30.2.
28.22 (7) You can make out these whitish 'finger' features on the June, 1960 aerial of the area. The north part of the bridge is visible on both the aerials that are stapled together (to the left of the BluRay frame).
28.22 (8) The sequence goes back to the projected shot of Ben saying that it would cost $50 more for gas if they speed up.
This BluRay frame gives a hint of the type of landscape that is shown as the background for this scene.
Note that the bridge on the far left of the shot is nothing like the bridge we've been looking at.
28.23 (1) I was looking all around Orange County with old aerials to find this airport where the Crumps land. The only reason I found it is because Paul Scrabo has a new site:
Scroll down to July 24 and note the reference to San Fernando. So I went to the following site which has old aerials & information on this (and other) airports:
Even without conclusive evidence (yet), the distant background of trees and runway in the movie has an interesting similarity to the 1958 photo (top right) from that site.
28.23 (2) The red dot on the 1958 aerial is the camera area for this scene. The same building is circled in red, and the white line represents the angle from the camera to the base of the telephone pole (Can barely be seen on the aerial).
This line is one of at least two needed sight lines to find the camera location. Try to find others as you continue. Another line is referred to in 28.23 (5).
28.23 (3) The red dots (camera location) and yellow circles correspond to the same points.
Note the text under the 7th image from the top of the San Fernando Airport section:
Compare that text with the sign on the blue building seen in front of the bi plane.
28.23 (4) This 'telephoto' scene was shot at the same camera position, but at a different time. Compare this frame with the previous and next photos - the car (circled in this photo) is missing in the others.
28.23 (5) The circled red dots show the camera position in 2000 and 2012 - those points were transferred from the 1982 aerial using other existing landmarks.
Try drawing an imaginary line from the camera, through the right hand edge of the yellow circled building, and see where that line intersects the hanger that is closest to the runway. The previous photos may be easier to use.
28.4 (2) The following was a quick attempt to locate this scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5518252213794770082
I knew Mt Baldy (red circles) was in the distance and that there was a range of horizontal distance that would keep the same San Gabriel Mtns profile (blue & orange circles & lines).
A Street View search revealed wrong foreground hills, so I went to old aerials and found that this location was within the black circle.
28.4 (3) The camera plane and the D-18 were flying along the south east side of San Diego Creek, near Irvine.
The November, 1962 aerial has 4 colored circles which match points within the 5 BluRay frames: There are 2 blue circles to find (bottom photos). Begin at top left and go clockwise.
28.4 (4) The last frame of the scene in the previous photo (photo 2) and one of the 1st frames in the next scene (photo 3) show a change (see text on photo).
The 1st scene area is covered (approximately) within the orange box; the 2nd scene is partially covered by the area of the yellow box on the 1962 aerial. The red circle and ovals show the same buildings (in the boxes overlap area).
The blue lines show the approximate flight line of the D-18.
28.4 (5) The 1962 aerial has a mismatch vertically near the center, but the right side clearly shows the areas highlighted on the movie frame.
28.4 (6) As the scene progresses (1 - 4), you can see the area of the bare field (orange circle on aerial), a white building next to the railroad tracks (yellow circle and ovals), and a section of today's I-5 (the blue circle and oval).
28.4 (7) You can briefly see Mt Baldy (yellow ovals) and a land form on the Peralta Hills (white circles) in the background. The movie frame is cropped to see more detail.
The 1994 Google Earth view is from a more northerly position than the movie camera.
28.4 (8) Details within the 2 frames shown in the sequence are presented on a Google Earth view photo: Mt Baldy (blue ovals); the bare field in the movie frames (white oval); and the stretch of San Diego Creek that is below the D-18 in the right movie photo (red oval). The part of the sequence shown by the right movie frame is examined in more detail in the next photo.........
28.4 (9) The 3 BluRay frames used here are in order within the sequence, with the previous photo's frame belonging between the top 2 frames.
Most of the area covered in the movie frames is within the white box on the aerial.
28.4 (10) The section of San Diego Creek in the last frame of the scene is shown within the yellow ovals.
'Move' the 1963 aerial straight up for a match with 2012.
28.4 (11) The filming of the scene was most likely done between the 2 aerial photo dates.
The yellow circles and green rectangles are matching areas.
The red circle on the 1963 aerial surrounds the bridge featured in Scenes 28.22 and 30.2.
28.45 (1) In the extended scenes portion of the DVD, the D-18 is shown flying over the mountains between the coast and Lake Elsinore.
28.45 (2) The quality is poor, but you can still make out landforms. Google Earth from this vantage point does not show the shape of Mt San Jacinto.
28.45 (3) If you get closer with Google Earth, the shape of Mt San Jacinto will match. Yellow circles show the same landforms.
28.45 (4) Here is the area of the flight in an expanded Google Earth view.
28.46 (1) This scene has Dingy and Benjy heading straight for the ground at I-5 in the area of El Toro Road.
The sequence begins at the top and goes clockwise to the bottom. The red lines connect the frames to the corresponding area on the 1960 aerial. They do not match exact points, though. You can do that if you like.
28.46 (2) The 2013 Google Maps view shows the area covered by the 1969 aerial (white rectangle).
The red circle shows the area of the bi plane flight at: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/ItSAMadMadMadMadWorld#5718009209879009922
The yellow circle shows the area of the scene where they fly thru the billboard: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/ItSAMadMadMadMadWorld#5755743571420798770
The orange circle shows the area of the D-18 flight over San Diego Creek: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/ItSAMadMadMadMadWorld#5792872742261291954
29.1 (2.5) Without BluRay I could not see the background in this projected scene which occurs right after the tow truck passes Rondell St. But you can see that it is the same stretch of Hwy 101 as used in the following scene. See it in the other album starting at: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5499479060512016578
29.11 (5.5) A BluRay update for this scene shows a large concrete object placed in the middle of Vendell, probably to keep people from driving there. Photo taken on October, 31, 2013.
See this scene in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5501268913734215826
29.11 (10) Same spot: 1962 & 2013.
29.2 (4) In the other album, this location of 'Knotts' Corner' was shown: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5499889511308090994
The movie camera position was just to the right of my position. In the August, 2012 photo, you can barely see the same distant mountain that is easily seen in the BluRay frame (above the Cadillac at the top).
29.2 (5) In 1962 there was a road cut, so their camera was higher in elevation. But the horizontal camera position was probably close to where my photo is.
The movie camera position changed between the last scene (the previous photo) and this one - compare the placement of the telephone pole at the bend in the road to the background road and trees.
29.2 (6) Without the large tree that now is in the way of a full view, it is easy to see the fence at the top of the road cut on the other side. Note the same trees on the hill.
29.2 (7) The car exits the scene, leaving the full BluRay view.
By comparing the movie frame to my 2012 shot (which shows more of the background behind the tree), you can determine that I was standing in the lower, left hand corner of the BluRay frame.
29.2 (8) One of the last frames of the scene shows a helicopter flying out of the gully on the other side of the road cut hill.
The fence appears that it is the same one as in 1962. When you get close to the posts, they look old.
But what's with that tree!?
29.2 (9) The yellow circles show the same tree in 1963, 1990, and 2012. Apparently it was small enough in 1962 to be off to the right of the scene.
29.3 (6) Otto explains his dire situation as they drive west on Hwy 101 - shown in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5499889512744792786
As you go through the scene with BluRay, you can see that they pass 3 'intersections' - shown with white circles on the 1961 aerial photo. They are in order from top to bottom.
29.3 (7) The 1st intersection they pass (left frame and white ovals) is future Lindero Canyon Rd.
The last intersection (right frame and yellow ovals) is where the concrete 'wash' intersects with the freeway. Lakeview Canyon Road overpass is at the left in the Google Map photo.
The gray circles are for position reference. See text on photo.
29.3 (8) When you place Google Street View at Lindero Canyon Road area, you can match the shapes of Ladyface Mtn - note especially the pointed peak on the right half of the ridges outline - it changes as they get further away.....
29.3 (9) At the end of the scene, they are getting nearer to what is now, Lakeview overpass. The arroyo/creek seen in the 1961 aerial, circled in yellow in a previous photo corresponds to the concrete 'wash' where the 'Street View man' is on the Google Map photo.
Note that the pointed peak in the Ladyface Mtn outline has changed as they drive further away.
29.4 (5) The thin white circle shows the location of the Mobil station in 1963 and 2012 (See next photo).
The yellow circles show the bridge position in Scene 29.23 (coming up).
The other 3 colored circles show other matching areas for general reference.
29.4 (6) The 3 BluRay frames show Don Knotts' Ford being directed past the Mobil station and parking in front of what is now Wood Ranch Bar-B-Q and Grill. See the blue dots on the photo.
Where was the camera location?.........
29.4 (7) A small portion of the 1963 aerial photo is pasted below the same area on 2012 Google Maps. Since we saw where the car ended up and can see the gas pump islands of the Mobil station, it's possible to see the area where the camera was (red dot). Then the dot was transferred to the 2012 map.
29.4 (8) Here is a view where Don Knotts' Ford was parked when Otto told him to get out.
29.4 (9) Getting a closer and better angled view, it's my guess that the camera moved around within the red circle area.
The BluRay frames did not show the mountain ridge detail enough to see the match, so I used the 'old format'.
Look closely at the area within the white rectangles, and note the vegetation in the upper left of the movie frame. That vegetation hedge can be seen on the 1963 aerial and it ends about where the large brick pillar is at the corner of the roof.
29.4 (10) When I was in Agoura in August, 2012, I took photos from where I thought the movie camera was located, but since I was too near Cornell Road and the freeway wall, the montages do not match. The bushes on the left end of the movie frames would be off the left end of the 2012 photos.
Still, details in the distance (colored ovals) can be matched.
29.4 (11) In 2011, I took this photo which is close to the same angle. If the angle were exact, the red circled movie camera area would be centered under the rectangles.
But since the angle difference is so small, the background fits almost perfectly - the black outlined rectangle is the same as the movie frame.
29.4 (12) When the movie frame is pasted onto the 2011 photo, it's very interesting to notice how today's freeway overpass is the same elevation as the hill that is just above the row of cars in the movie frame.
I wonder if the tree on the hill (on the right edge of the movie frame) is the same one that is continued into the 2011 photo!?
29.5 (4) This location was shown in the other album:
But note that Mulholland Drive was level in 1962 as compared to 2012, where there is a definite slope to the intersection: So the vertical camera angles are different.
The object within the yellow circles confirm that the inserted projected scenes within this scene were filmed at the same location.
29.5 (5) If you walk at the same angle as this frame in the movie - from the camera position at the SE corner of the intersection - you will see that the large tree branches block the view of the Motion Picture hospital, instead of seeing under the branches, as in the movie.
So the intersection build up was quite high.
The white building on the right of the 2012 photo is the red brick building on the right side of the BluRay frame.
29.5 (6) Those in Ray & Irwin's tow truck see Sylvester approaching the intersection from Valley Circle Blvd. Note the difference in it's slope from the freeway overpass bridge.
29.5 (7) After Mrs. Marcus, Lennie, and Emmeline turn around, they head back SE on Mulholland Drive. The white building (2012) and the red brick building (1962) are the same.
29.5 (8) As they force the Crockett County police off the road, they again go by the large tree - in the 2012 photo you have to look DOWN to the parking lot level.
29.5 (9) The police car makes the same U-turn as the tow truck did - to be joined by another police car heading SE on Valley Circle Blvd.
The camera location is shown on the March, 1963 aerial photo (with a red dot). Note how the crosswalk lines and the center double line on Valley Circle Blvd point toward the movie camera.
It looks like crosswalk lines were added to Mulholland Drive between the movie filming and the date of the aerial.
29.5 (10) The street elevations are different, but you can still easily see the hill in the background that is above the red car in the August, 2012 photo.
29.5 (11) These montages of the scene show the difference in elevation of the cameras (1962 & 2012). Note the same corner of the building within the yellow circles.
29.5 (12) The March, 1963 aerial photo is an exact fit to the Google Maps photo. So the movie camera position is now under the pavement of Mulholland Drive. My August, 2012 photos were taken at the orange dot.
The yellow circles are for reference.
29.6 (3) The tow truck is followed by a police car around a large tree on Agoura Road (circled in yellow).
See 2011 comparison photos in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5499889884424722578
The blue circle is the Mobil Station for Scene 29.4 and the white circle is the bridge used in Scene 29.23.
29.7 (4) Col Hawthorne & Russell Finch's position is shown with a blue dot on the old aerials. Basically, it's under today's overpass, which was being built in the 1963 photo: See the 3 photos in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5499889882520802226
The white circles show the same intersection - note the changes that took place between the movie filming (1962) and the March, 1963 aerial photo.
29.7 (5) Google Street View from the overpass reveals the same landforms.
29.7 (6) Google Street View shows an approximate horizontal camera angle that the moving movie camera had.
The BluRay frame in the previous photo was between these 'regular' frames in the movie sequence.
The car is heading east on Hwy 101.
29.23 (11) The yellow circle in the 1963 aerial shows where the 2 BluRay frames were shot and the red and blue dots show the positions of the cars. In the other album, see:
The white circle surrounds the Mobil station (Previous photos) and the blue circle is the intersection that is featured in Scene 29.26:
30.2 (1) Benjy, Dingy, and Tyler Fitzgerald are ready to fly thru the sign.
Thanks to Gerry Chudleigh (See his link below) and Brian Booker for helping me to find this location. Hopefully you can read the text on the photo.
The Blu Ray frame is the first of the scene.
30.2 (2) If you look close at the November, 1962 aerial, you can make out details that compare to the next movie frame.
Maybe it was Frank Tallman who flew the airplane here - if so, then the name text on the photo is incorrect.
30.2 (3) In the September, 1964 aerial, you can see more detail.
The house (yellow circle) is easily visible - the barely visible whitish buildings in the white oval behind the sign may be the large buildings at El Toro shown within the white circle in the 64 photo.
The red dot would be the camera position for this movie scene.
30.2 (4) The plane emerges from the billboard - watch for the shadow of the plane as it flies across the hill.
The camera could possibly have been on a crane instead of the hill.
The aerial on the left was taken less than a month before the flight.
30.2 (5) There are 3 tree lines to compare. The small blue line represents the position of the billboard.
My guess (using the fence posts as an approximation) is that the camera position was about 120 feet further from the bridge than the sign, which was about 280-300 feet away from the bridge.
30.2 (6) Maybe I am trying too hard to see things, but can you see a possible land scar within the white circle?
The aerial is from 9/64.
30.2 (7) Just 3 months after the flight, the aerial on the left was shot. The white circle is the billboard position and the white pointer from it points to the same spot on the 1963 aerial.
See notes on the photos.
30.2 (8) The D-18 clears the sign.
Just over the hill and to the right, Lion Country Safari will be opened in 1970. It is used as a reference in comments about the billboard location after that time.
The 1963 aerial at lower right again shows the camera position with a red dot and the area of Lion Country.
30.2 (9) When we match various land form points on the 1964 aerial (top left) to the same points on a 1994 Google photo, more accuracy is possible to pinpoint the sign (blue line), bridge (white line), and camera (red dot) locations.
There are 4 white circles on each photo showing the match points.
30.2 (10) Now those points can be transferred to a 2012 Google Earth photo.
Note the shadow of the airplane.
30.2 (11) As you match map points at a larger scale, minor placement adjustments are made.
30.2 (12) According to the red dot in the previous photo, the camera location is very close to this Google Street View camera - directly in line with the white concrete drain on the right side of the photo.
They flattened the hill that the sign was on. The location of the original sign is close to the drawn-in sign, and in the background is a drawn-in bridge that shows where the original bridge was.
30.2 (13) From the overpass from the northbound Hwy 133 to the westbound I-405, you can get a view of the original bridge and billboard positions.
30.2 (14) All the movie frames of this scene (which occurs near intermission) were in order. This is one of the last frames - the plane moves off, but the its shadow is at the extreme right.
The yellow lines show a theoretical flight path of the plane. The camera and billboard positions are shown.
The original bridge was this side and to the left of the freeway northbound bridge (as shown in the previous photos). It probably makes sense that they would leave the original bridge in as they built the newer ones.
30.2 (15) Just for fun, I thought I would try and verify my findings as to where the original bridge was: So I found some aerials from 1967 & 68 which show the progress of building the interchange at Hwy 133 and I- 405.
30.2 (16) The best old aerial is the one from 9-64, so I matched it to the 1968 aerial (using various landforms). Note within the yellow circle that the original highway in 64 matches the temporary access road in 68.
30.2 (17) I also matched the 1967 aerial (better resolution than the 68) to the 1968 photo - now I could also use bridges over the 405 as placement points.
30.2 (18) Now that there were 2012 bridges to match (as well as a few existing landforms), the 1968 aerial is placed on a 2012 Google map.
30.2 (19) Once placed on the Google map, I could connect points that intersected at the original bridge location - it shows it on the left side of the northbound Hwy 133 - not to the right as shown before.
I didn't like this find..... so...........
30.2 (20) .......I used 3 line intersecting lines.
30.2 (21) These lines still show it that the original bridge was underneath today's bridge.
Whether this is more accurate than the finding in photo 30.2 (9), I do not know: Does it make a difference?
30.2 (22) After finding the location using maps and aerials, Paul Scrabo provided this further verification - a production log of the "Billboard Shot". Note the date and location - Laguna Canyon Highway.
30.2 (23) From the Alton Parkway bridge over the Laguna Freeway, you can get a pretty close approximation of what Frank Tallman saw in 1962. The sign was on the top of the hill shown with tan dashed lines.
The camera location was near the red circle, & the white lines show where the original bridge was.
30.2 (24) Here is the plane as it flew thru the sign. Can you see any damage?
Go here to see information on the fate of the plane.: http://gchudleigh.com/madworld2.htm
30 (4) On August 14, 2012 I revisited the Butler hanger at the Sonoma County Airport in Windsor. The only 3 photos that were posted in the other album for this location are here:
In the extended scenes portion of the DVD, there are more frames to examine. Here is one of the first showing Dingy & Benjy approaching the hanger.
The Sonoma Jet Center building is circled in white in the frame and on the 1961 aerial - the hanger & other details can be seen as well.
30 (5) The 1965 aerial photo was shot about 3 years after the projected scene was shot from the front of the Beech D-18.
More details can be seen than in the 1961 aerial in the previous photo.
You can count the Eucalyptus trees and see other buildings that are in the aerial & the movie frame. The yellow circle shows about where the plane was when this frame was captured.
30 (6) Airport security escorted us around the area where the filming took place. The 2 hanger buildings between Dingy & Benjy's heads (white on the left and brown on the right) are visible in the 2012 photo - sandwiched between newer hangers.
Note the coverage of the frame from the extended scenes portion of the DVD and compare it to the BluRay coverage in the next photo.........
30 (7) ........The coverage of the movie scene photos are about the same.
The hangers in the movie scene are the ones at the left and right sides of the 2012 photo.
30 (8) Looks like the camera that was mounted on the airplane was slightly on an angle.
30 (9) They are nearing the end of the hanger on the right side.
30 (10) The airplane camera was about at the elevation of the rooftop of the hanger on the right side of the photo.
30 (11) There was a B-26 parked in the hanger when we were there.
30 (12) Each movie frame moves them closer to the hanger. When they get close enough........
30 (13) ....The scene changes. The camera angle of the 2012 photo is close to the movie angle, but I could not get far enough away.......
30 (14) ......I was blocked by the newer hangers (The previous photo was taken from red oval location).
You can estimate the position of the movie camera by noting the joint lines in the concrete (Yellow ovals): The camera must have been in a position hidden behind the tan colored hanger.
30 (15) There is a sequence in the extended scenes portion of the DVD where they are in the middle of the hanger.
30 (16) Our security escort drove us to this location, then walked with us through the hanger - thanks again to him and the airport administration for their help.
30 (17) The Beech is now filmed from the east side of the Butler hanger.
The white and yellow circles/ovals are matching points. You can make out the south side of the original brown hanger in the 2012 photo.
30 (18) They probably positioned the small airplane (yellow circles) to block the view of the filming cameras - one needed at each end of the hanger.
30 (19) The next scene is a projected shot showing them fly between the Eucalyptus trees and then over the countryside on the east end of the airport in 1962.
See notes on photo.
30 (20) Compare the quality of BluRay with a frame from the extended scenes portion of the DVD.
Again, see notes and yellow circles on the photo.
30 (21) An approximate flight line (blue line) and it's 'shadow' (black line) are drawn on a photo that was in the administration office of the airport. The date of the photo is unknown.
The yellow circle is approximately where the plane was when it's camera shot the shown movie frame (seen earlier).
30 (22) I revisited the Rancho Conejo Airport scenes with BluRay. Begin here if you want to see the 'old' material for these scenes (28-30): https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5569545996068546786
30 (23) See the notes, red lines, and yellow circles on the photo.
As you go through these, you'll note that Gerry Chudleigh had this all figured out years ago: http://www.gchudleigh.com/images_mad/Mad-Tower-Location.jpg
30 (24) The large building on the hill (that you will see in some of the BluRay frames coming up) is in the upper left corner of the 1965 aerial. Note the same corner in 2012!
White lines surround the same area as in the 65 aerial.
30 (25) The same Google Earth views in 1991 (top), 1995, and 2012.
If Google Earth in accurate, then you can project the same points. The left vertical white line connects the Airport Cafe location; and the right white line connects where the control tower was.
The white circles show the end of the same airport buiding.
30 (26) Here is how I located the points - using vertical and horizontal lines. You can see that he horizontal lines connect matching details on the left side of the 1991 & 1995 photos.
It is easy to see the 'foundation' of the movie Airport Cafe in the 1991 Google photo - easier than in the 1965 aerials shown previously.
The control tower position was estimated by noting how far it was from the larger hanger - about the length of the building north, and just a bit east.
30 (27) The large building circled in white is the one in the upper left corner of the 65 aerial. The red dots show the same location.
30 (28) Matching 1991 Google Earth view with the scene through the cafe window.
The large white area at the bottom of the Google view is the 'foundation' of the cafe (seen earlier). The four hangers are the white areas at the right. The shadow that is right in front of the airplane, is of the hanger that is just above the words Google earth.
30 (29) Without changing the Google Earth view, you can see what it looks like today from a slightly elevated position (as in the 1991 view in the last photo).
The white ovals show the same ridge areas.
See more in the other album: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5570346870982243794
31.3 (12) With BluRay you can see more detail on the map in Culpeper's office. See:
He is pointing to the spot where Smiler Grogan supposedly crashed: Hwy 58 near Boron, Ca.
It looks like the movie added Crockett County (yellow), taking it from San Bernadino County (dark orange).
31.3 (13) The 'X' marks where the '17 different ways' discussion occurred on Culpeper's map - east of Barstow, Ca on old Hwy 66. There is not much of a crossroad to "turn south" on. See note on photo and:
31.3 (14) Hopefully you can see the Google map well enough to note matching points and roads along Smiler's route.
32.1 (4.1) I was back to the Incline in August, 2012 and took this photo from the edge of the pedestrian overpass. Don't miss noting the growth of the palm tree in the extreme upper left corner of the the photos.
This scene is put in it's movie context in the other album:
32.1 (4.2) The movie and 2012 camera positions were so close, that it 'pasted' on almost perfectly.
Note the upper left palm tree again.
32.1 (7) Now go here to see this in the other album:
'Move' the BluRay frame straight down.
32.1 (8) California Incline photo, taken on Dec 7, 2012, shows where the camera was located for the 2 movie frames in the corners - on the SANTA MONICA stairway platform where the person is standing.
The photo also shows the garages at 936 PCH where Scene 35.1 takes place. The garages are just to the left of larger building wrapped with a blue tarp. See:
32.2 (3) The movie camera position is maybe 5 to 10 feet to the right of my 2010 camera location.
See the previous photos for this scene in the other album:
32.3 (4) I went back to the incline in August, 2012. 'Move' the BluRay frame up and to the left for a pretty good match.
If you look close at the following photo in the other album, you can see that it's camera angle is off a bit: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5524311381314500914
32.4 (4) Here is a BluRay frame with a 2009 photo. This scene in the other album used 2009 & 2010 photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5524311382721727714
32.6 (5) The intersection of PCH with the California Incline taken on Dec 7, 2012. The 2 top left movie frames were taken from the area of the white oval: The upper right frame was taken from the area of the yellow oval. See:
32.7 (3) This is supposed to be Captain Culpeper as he backs away from his meeting with the two other cars - see: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5524919622410699714
32.7 (4) A BluRay frame is pasted onto an October 31, 2013 photo. They are not the same scale.
By noting details within the red circles & rectangles, you can see the camera positions are a near match.
The yellow oval is the hubcap that pops off Otto's car and hits Culpeper's car - watch the scene closely. Note also, that the signal poles are not the same.
32.7 (5) A later movie frame is pasted in its correct position onto the 2013 photo.
33 (32) I went back to Long Beach (and Peck Park - shown here) on Jan 10, 2012. It's may be hard to tell from the wide angle montage that the 2012 camera position is fairly close to the 1962 position for the scene shown with the upper and lower left movie frames.
Either the car or the camera was moved for the lower right frame.
33 (34) It is easier to see the comparison details with this one photo (the left one in the montage in the previous photo).
Note the position of the newly planted tree (center of movie frame) in relation to the end of the wall - the tree has grown in 50 years!
33 (35) The 2012 camera location looks like it should be moved to the left a bit; but move the upper left movie frame down to compare the area - again, note how the tree to the left of the sign (which was just to the right of the blue sign in 2012) has grown.
The tree above Benjy's hat appears to be the one that is in the middle of the 6 rocks in 2012.
Move the lower right movie frame straight up - I think that the stick on the left of the movie frame is attached to a small tree in 1962 - the large tree next to the curb in 2012.
33 (36) I believe that the brown sign in the 2012 photo would be in the way if the camera positions (1962 & 2012) were the same.
It is hard to see the small tree (right circle) in the movie frame, but it most likely is the same tree circled on the 2012 photo.
33 (37) The circles in the upper left movie frame appear to match in 2012.
Note the changes in the camera positions used for the Peck Park scenes (start at lower left and move right, then go to the upper left and move right). You can see the changes by comparing the light pole in the distance with the trees and bushes.
33 (38) This and the next 3 photos show the changes to Peck Park.
David Zaitz shot his comparison photos in 2005 (the upper 2/3 of the photos). The lower 1/3 of the photos were taken in January, 2012.
34 (1) In the extended scenes portion of the DVD, they discuss what sort of "an angle" Culpeper has. They are heading down the Calif Incline near the portion where the 2010 was taken.
34 (2) The projected image must have been taken from under the pedestrian bridge over the Incline. You can see the same concrete retaining wall: Between Otto's and Monica's heads in the movie frame, and near the upper end of the double yellow line visible in the 2010 photo.
Go here in the other album to continue to the next scene:
34.3 (3) Early in the morning on June 29, 2014, I managed to get to the camera location (too low of an angle, though).
Note the difference in the weather when these scenes were shot; and note the white circles.
35.1 (4) The view of the California Incline was taken on Dec 7, 2012. The 'parked' yellow cab is in the position of the cab at the left of the left movie photo. The cab on the right in the left photo is in position 1. The right movie frame shows the cab at the rear at position 2. The shadows show that these scenes were filmed at a different time of day.
See the following and succeeding photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5526028200806855410
The red circle shows the camera location for this following scene: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5524310916562729906
35.1 (2.5) On October 31, 2013, I got a pretty good match for this scene of Culpeper turning north on PCH - see details within the red and white ovals. See more, beginning at this link: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5526028534886036818
35.2 (1.5) Back to get a better angle on June 26, 2014.
See for comparison: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5526509343299668706
The thin white horizontal lines are for reference.
There has been a delay on the construction of a new 'Incline', but this may be the year it happens.
35.2 (1.5)(2) Same shot with BluRay.
35.3 (4) In October, 2013 I stopped again at the 76 station to try and get higher up (See: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5526509814957745778).
The sequence shown in the BluRay frame is a lower camera angle than in the other sequences.
It seems very likely that they used a Mad World crane. The movie camera was to the left of the newer shot - note where the center of PCH is pointing to in the 2 photos.
35.4 (4) With Blu Ray, you can make out enough side detail to pinpoint this projected scene. Compare this to Scene 35.4 in the other album. The yellow sign to the left of Melville's head would be just off the left side of the 2011 photo (It's not there any more).
Just south of Point Mugu on PCH.
35.6 (5) The 2 cabs follow Culpeper down a driveway onto Malibu Road. 'Move' the 'Blu Ray' frame straight up for a near match.
See this scene in the other album.
39 (5.1) The date on the aerial from which this photo was taken is 1/30/62. You can see the shadows of the telephone poles and the oil pump that are seen in the movie frame (See the 3 colored circles).
39 (19) In January, 2012, I revisited the pontoon bridge location. Compare the spacing between the 'work house' and the high tension towers within the circles.
The movie frames are near the first and the last of this sequence.
39 (20) The last photo was taken from in front of the truck - the next photo was taken from behind the truck........
39 (21) An earlier movie sequence had Culpeper passing the black Ford as they approached the pontoon bridge.
You can see the same buildings (see text on photo) in the 1962 frame - see the white vertical oval at the upper left.
The 2012 photo was taken from the bottom left center of the upper right Google photo.
39 (22) I found a 1962 aerial of Long Beach. The white circled areas are approximately the same: Google Earth view 2011 vs 1962. You can see the pontoon bridge.
39 (23) It was in 1980 that the Spruce Goose was lifted by Herman the German crane near the IAMMMMW filming area of this scene.
The white circles show the intersection that appears in the BluRay frame. The yellow & blue circles show general reference points.
39 (24) Note the text on the photo and look closely for thin red circles showing the same building on the aerial and middle BluRay frame.
The white station wagon in the lower frame is about where the blue pickup truck is in the middle frame. The car's position is shown with a white dot on the aerial.
Note Herman the German crane in the background of the lower photo. Remember that the crane was a 'floating crane'.
44 (1.5) This is a BluRay shot of the Ocean at Atlantic scene. Note the coverage differences......now you can notice what appears to be the Crump's Plymouth station wagon on the left.
44 (11) Scene 44 (5) in the other album showed the building within the yellow circle in the 'regular' DVD shot. But now, with the BluRay frame, you can make out another large building in the scene (White circles).
45 (7) In January, 2012 I drove west on 10th St and turned left on Locust. Since I was going the opposite way, this photo is on Locust.
'Move' the movie frame straight up and note the matching forms within the circles.
45 (8) To match Culpeper turning right onto 10th, I was turning left onto Locust.
You can see the 3 palms and the end of the white house just to their left (1962 & 2012). 'Move' the movie frame straight up.
45 (9) Note the comparison of the area within the white circles.
45 (10) 'Move' the movie photo straight up - note the light signal and the windows of the house behind it.
45 (11) The movie shot is pasted in its correct position onto the 2012 photo.
45 (12) 'Move' the movie photo straight down.
50 (6) A Blu Ray frame is pasted onto the 2011 photo.
Turning left off of Long Beach Blvd onto 14th St.
54 (6) On 1/10/12 I was back to get a better perspective - standing on the back tailgate. For this first 'alley' scene, though, it still was not high enough.
The movie camera was about the same height as the top of the light green building - and a bit to the left of my camera.
The circled window is seen in Google Street View, the movie frame, and the 2012 photo.
54 (7) If you 'move' the partial movie frame straight up, it will closely match. The right end of the building on the left (the left photo of the 2011 montage) is covering Culpeper's Dodge.
The concrete that is visible in front of the black car in the 2011 photo is the concrete seen in the movie frame just behind the driver's door of the cab on the right.
55 (8) David Zaitz shot the comparison in 2005 (upper left). Note the changes in 2011.
55 (9) In this photo, we go back a couple of sequences within Scene 55.
The camera position when Culpeper heads for Waite Court is closer to my 2012 position (again from the tailgate of my truck, but from a different truck position than in photo 54 (6)) - see white circles.
The lower yellow oval shows the remnant of the wall of the building brick building that was there in 1962.
55 (10) I have an excuse for not taking the time to match camera positions exactly - I blocked 'traffic'. This car showed up while I was trying to get a more precise match than the previous photo.
The 1st and 3rd sequences shown at the top used the same camera location.
55 (11) This 2012 previously used photo at lower left - Scene 54 (6) probably is the closest match that I got for this sequence (mentioned in the previous photo).
I had no 'traffic' problems on a Sunday (2011) - the background photo.
55 (12) These are just 3 of at least 7 camera locations used in the parking lot scenes.
Colored circles show matching points (1962 & 2011).
The black Dodge was moved between 'takes' - compare front tire position (white circles) in the 2 top movie frames.
There are changes in the taxis as well. Note the opened doors - unless some in the group went back to get into the taxis, the doors should match in the upper right and lower movie shots.
55 (13) The same garage post (near the top of the post) is marked with a tiny red dot in the 2011 photos, the 1962 aerial, and the movie frame.
Just to the right of the red dot in the aerial, note the thin white lines which show the corner of the 1962 building which was on the north side of the alley that Culpeper ran into - see 55 (1) in the other album.
Those white lines are 'projected' onto both of the 2011 photos.
55 (14) The yellow circles show the same garage post.
The marked alley is the original - to the right heading to Pine Ave - and to the left which ends now at a parking spot & a building - see 55 (7).
55 (14.1) In the extended scenes portion of the DVD, there is an unused scene where Culpeper gets out of a cab (Photos 1 & 2 taken from a high camera location), bumps into Mrs Marcus (Photos 3 & 4), then heads for the alley (Photo 5).
Compare the differences of the various cars in the parking lot with the frame in the upper left that was used in the movie.
See this link to see Scene 54: https://picasaweb.google.com/111293404383775855107/IAMMMMWLocations#5668670383806709954
55 (15) When I went to Long Beach on January 10, 2012, I tried to ask if I could get on the roof of 207 Broadway to match the movie shots on the roof. I only saw one person, and he said "No".
The Edison Theater appears to be permanently closed. But as you see in the photo, there did not appear to be any filming in those buildings.
More on this in photo 56 (6).
56 (4) The filming of the roof scene took place on top of this building - 207 Broadway.
They seemed to pattern the studio lot building (bottom left) after the 'claws' on this building and the approximate design of the building in the following photo.
The railing that Culpeper used to go over the edge would be within the black oval - IF it were the right building.
56 (5) The building on the right of the 2012 photo is vaguely similar to the 'studio building'. The white oval is the location on Waite Court where the group entered into the building off the alley.
The interior arch windows (bottom left) do not seem to match the 'studio building' arch windows.
56 (6) To see some interesting information on this portion of the movie, go to Paul Scrabo's website and look at podcast #23:
57 (7) In the studio lot sequence of the group hanging onto the fire truck ladder, a strange view of Long Beach is in the background. You can see that the building in the 2012 photo (taken from Waite Court looking north) is the one used in the movie. But note that the 1928 Villa Riviera Hotel is just to the left of it in the movie frame.
57 (8) When you position them correctly (according to the movie) with Google Earth, the wrong side of the 'Long Beach at Broadway' building is shown. 'Move' the movie shot straight up to match the placement of the 2 buildings.
57 (9) The 'Long Beach at Broadway' building looks different on each side. The opposite view of the building is shown in photo 57(7) - two photos back.
57 (10) Here you can see the changes that have occurred within the blocks in downtown Long Beach that were used to film Scenes 53 - 57.
The years of the aerials (9 of them are off of Google) are shown on the photos.
The upper right quadrant of each photo is where the parking lot scenes were filmed.